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Added ability to set activity limits in Groups
4/6/2006 4:33 pm |
This is something I totally agree with and many other Members and Moderators too in concerns to "Spam Posting" in groups. In my and many other Moderators and Members of Groups opinions the "Spam Postings" in several groups are starting to devaluate and are undermining the group intentions of what they where designed for of members having "Discussions" and not for members to being in "Competition" or a "Race" to the top. Consequently, there are many members that are not happy with the way the mathematical system is designed and used for the "Most Active last 30 days, with photos" posting members or used to calculate the "Most Active Groups" in the listing. In the opinion of many members and Moderators of Groups, this mathematical system is being abused by some members and Groups with "Spam Postings". I can even point you to at least 4 groups in the Active Group Listings that Moderators and Members are and have been "Spam posting" ( even titled with "Spam" ) their ways to being listed in the Active Group Listings in threads in order to only increase their posting counts to push themselves into the Most Active posting member slots or push their Group up the Most active Group listings; furthermore, although this type of spam posting may be fun for some members it is and has become a competition that can, will and has caused group to group conflicts or member to member conflicts, also many members believe that this type of postings is devaluating the purpose of groups and has become selfishness of some members being on the front page as "Most Active last 30 days, with photo" member. Out of the 6 "Most Active last 30 days, with photo" members shown on the Groups Home Page 4 to 5 members have been on the front page of groups under that listing for several months, and it is from the example below of spam postings done in group threads. Example of spam posting done in Groups in topic threads (some are titled as a spam thread and spam posting is done consecutively with either one word posting and broken sentences). Post1- Hi Andrew Post2- My name is. Post3- Nick. I am from Post4- The state of Georgia Post5- [b]and[/b] (use of font tag commands in order to work around the one word posting that are not allowed to being done) Post6- I hope that us Group Post7- Members and Moderators of Groups ideas, opinions, and suggestions are of help to... (to continue with next consecutive post) Use total "Discussion" (Topic) postings for calculating the active Groups. This is what is on the Groups home page currently Groups= 71,924, Members= 928,882, "Discussions"= 2,290,943 Groups are described and promoted by how many Groups, how many Members belong to Groups and how many "Discussions" (Topics) have been posted in Groups , not by how many Total Postings done by members of Groups. Maybe consider a randomized display of the top 40 posting members every 30 seconds to 1 minute ( same as done on the site Home Page of "Who's Online Now" ) or rate them on the number of "Discussion" topic postings instead of the total posting counts. This may help in reducing the posting lags and allow other members to being noticed on the front page of Groups by other members. I believe and many others believe that is one of the main objectives of the site is for members to notice other members or to be noticed by other members; not for being in competition or in a race with being #1 with postings in groups. You got at least 3 people in your likeminded group that are guilty of spamming in different groups and their faces are on the group home page. They are among the top 5. A moderator who goes around the magazine, this blog, and the serious moderator group preaching about spamming would cut people who spam from their group. It doesnt matter to me that they are spamming in other groups. I want to thank the CEO for opening his blog to feedback on many issues. I still say the majority of the "top" groups are full of people who exchange hot air. A good local group with an active mod beats any of them. Steve
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Steve, Every moderator of a group has their own way and fairness when it concerns their group members. I have no rights in my opinion and beliefs to "judge" any members of my groups on their conduct or activities in any other group than my own groups; consequently, why should I ban members from my groups based upon their conduct in other groups when they follow the description within my groups? Each group offers a different "flavor" to the members; furthermore, the personality that members show are different from group to group depending upon the independent "Group Description" that they belong too. Now does it occur to you or anyone else that what I proposed and several other independent moderators have proposed in regards to the "Most Active Group" Listings or Most Active Member of Groups with photo" listings will effect all groups, including the group I stepped down from temporarily? "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one." You can judge me up one side and down the other Steve and/or my groups as you have done ever since our paths have crossed on this site. Simple fact is that I want and many others want to see improvements that will be of benefit of all groups and will help also with getting other groups noticed before they become "dieing or dead groups" and to be of benefit to all members and unto this site. I have seen members of other groups have in one single thread as many as 70+ consecutive One word postings done within a 30 minute time period; Consequently, that has got to have some sort of an effect on the "infrastructure of this site. Furthermore, some may want to read the TOU of this site in section 5. Content Posted on the Site/CDA part F. Many members including the members that partake in the spamming threads keep complaining about the post lags; yet I do believe that the majority of that answer is right in our own very faces. This is the definition of "Infrastructure" for those that are not familiar with the word and that relates to information technology and on the Internet. Definition of Infrastructure: In information technology and on the Internet, infrastructure is the physical hardware used to interconnect computers and users. Infrastructure includes the transmission media, including telephone lines, cable television lines, and satellites and antennas, and also the routers, aggregators, repeaters, and other devices that control transmission paths. Infrastructure also includes the software used to send, receive, and manage the signals that are transmitted. In some usages, infrastructure refers to interconnecting hardware and software and not to computers and other devices that are interconnected. However, to some information technology users, infrastructure is viewed as everything that supports the flow and processing of information. Infrastructure companies play a significant part in evolving the Internet, both in terms of where the interrconnections are placed and made accessible and in terms of how much information can be carried how quickly. end Now Steve, what do you suggest on improving upon Groups? So far I have not seen one single suggestion here made by you, but yet you are so easy to criticize others that are making suggestions, even unselfish suggestions at that and knowing that they are aware it will effect their own groups too. Unless you are going to make any suggestions that concerns my membership, being a member and moderator of groups, I will not respond to you any further; simply because this is not the Rant and Rave section and is irrelevant to this. Nick These were sent in before this Blog was posted by the CEO on 3-27-06 and have been observed. Below is 24 ideas and suggestions for improving upon Groups that I been compiling over a one year period of time that not only comes from my ideas and suggestions, but from many members and Moderators of groups that have held discussions from the past and present. Group Members and Moderators suggestions. 1-Allow members to be able to choose from their profile or network album an alternative photo for independent Groups they belong too, or an option of turning off their photo from being displayed in certain Groups. Many Groups do not allow members to join them if displaying nude photos, photos engaging in sex or masturbation. 2-Allow the animated Smiles to being displayed in Groups as they are allowed in other forums such as chat rooms and Blog sections (also consider the Magazine section too) as this can reduce miscommunications between members because of lack of expression. 3-Allow linking of Group topic postings as done in the Blog section. 4-Filtering of members posting queried by separating the Groups they belong too. Example: When clicking on the number of post made by a Group member, the following page shows all postings in all Groups the members belong too. A simple option radio button or check box on the members Group posting page could be used to sort the member's postings by Groups they belong to instead of only by the date and time. Example: Instead of the date and time being the primary key in a database, Group names would be set as primary key). 5-On Group Member Listing Page, add a last time (signed in to site) online date and Group posting numbers using suggestion #4 (Group members posting numbers and dates are a tool that many Moderators of Groups use; however, we Moderators of Groups do not have total access to members of our Group/Groups postings as we should or last date signed in to the site). 6-At one time there was a "watch Group" option for members to bookmark Groups they were interested in. It would be nice to have this feature back. 7-Allow customizing postings as done in the Blogs with adding Photos and Moods. 8-Add a link\links (next topic, previous topic) at the top of topic postings that would allow a reader to click on and go to the next topic or previous topic posting in a Group. This would eliminate having to go back to a Group description page and should also help in decreasing the amount of bandwidth used by reducing the downloading of an additional page. Example: Currently it takes 3 clicks to read two topic posting, by adding a next or previous link would cut it down to 2 clicks and would be one less page (Group description page and topic postings) being downloaded. 9-The site has changed the way that it works on smart cell phones. Members no longer have access to the Groups. They have given smart phones a shorter menu where you can get your e-mail and do only the "lets have sex tonight" features of the site. There are members that do not use those features as much as accessing the Groups they belong to. There are members that wish that the menu be placed back to how they were before for smart phones. Note: How this one took off here and how some members reacted about changing or doing away with both the Most Active Group Listings and the Most Active Group Listings. In addition, in my opinion there was abusive behavior displayed in regards to this system being changed or done away with within this Blog here by the CEO Andrew, and points out the abusive behavior in concerns to some members or groups being in those listings that can and has developed between Members and Groups. 10-There are many members that are not happy with the way the mathematical system is designed and used for the "Most Active last 30 days, with photos" posting members or used to calculate the most active Groups in the listing. In the opinion of many members and Moderators of Groups, this mathematical system is being abused by members with "spam postings" in threads in order to only increase their posting counts to push themselves into the Most Active posting member slots or push their Group up the Most active Group listings; furthermore, although this type of spam posting may be fun for some members it is and has become a competition that can, will and has caused group to group conflicts or member to member conflicts, also many members believe that this type of postings is devaluating the purpose of groups and has become selfishness of some members being on the front page as "Most Active last 30 days, with photo" member. Out of 6 members shown on the Groups Home Page 4 to 5 members have been on the front page of groups for several months, and it is from the example below of spam postings done in group threads. Example of spam posting done in Groups in topic threads (some are titled as a spam thread and spam posting is done consecutively with either one word posting and broken sentences). Post1- Hello you all Post2- My name is so and so. Post3- I am from Post4- The state of Georgia Post5- [b] and [/b] (use of font tag commands in order to work around the one word posting that are not allowed to being done) Post6- I am looking for. Post7-blah blah blah (to continue with next consecutive post) A-Possible Solution for Active Group Rating: Use total "Topic" (Discussion) postings for calculating the active Groups. This is what is on the Groups home page currently "Groups: 71,479 Members: 918,908 Discussions: 2,245,907" ; Groups are described and promoted by how many Groups, how many members belong to Groups and how many discussions (Topics) have been posted in Groups, not by how many total postings done by members of Groups. B-Possible Solution for Most Active last 30 days, with photo: Maybe consider a randomized display of the top 40 members every 30 seconds or rate them on the number of "Discussion" topic postings instead of the total posting counts. This may help in reducing the posting lags and allow other members to being noticed on the front page of Groups by other members; I believe that is one of the main objectives of the site is for members to notice other members or to be noticed by other members. Group Moderators suggestions, ideas and requests: 1-Add a member handle search on the page of banned member list page. It is quite difficult for Moderators of large Groups that have pages after pages of banned members to find a member to remove a banning from. 2-Add a check box next to members handles in the Moderators Group member listings for banning members (or removing a ban from members). 3-Add a "Bounce Member from Group" option instead of only having a Ban member option. Many members join Groups, but do not post in a Group or have not signed in to their accounts for a period of time, and as Moderators we only have one option and that is to ban a member. A "Bounce Member" would only remove the member from the Group and allow the member to re-join the Group on their own without a Moderator having to remove the banning upon a request, and standard members are either limited to email contacts or do not have that privilege to make a request to a Moderator, 4-Majority of Groups requires a member to introduce themselves to a Group they newly joined. There are a few ideas that members/Moderators came up with. A-Moderators want the power to pre-screen a new member before joining a Group and posting in it by way of a request to join the Group form. B-New members that join a Group would not be able to leave a Group for a 24 hour period of time. This idea is to avoid malicious members from causing abuse or disturbances to other members of a Group and give the Moderator a chance on banning a member; however, there is a loophole in the programming that prevents permanent banning of a member from a Group, will address it at the end in "known bugs" C-When a new member clicks on "Join this Group" have it directly link to "Post Message" for new member to post an introduction of themselves to the Group. If a new member fails to submit the "Post Message" they are denied access to joining the Group, posting in the Group or using the chat room designated to only members of a Group. This idea I came up with to solve three problems, ideas and request of Moderators. It will cut down on abusive members from joining and leaving a Group to cause disturbances with members of Groups, it will avoid members that join a Group to only using the chat rooms to interfere with the Group members that use them, and will help Moderators from having to spend time banning members from Groups for lack of even posting once in a Group and help produce more serious activity by members that join Groups; furthermore, idea C would require less coding in my opinion to implement than A or B. Addendum to C: Maybe even allow a small popup window after a new member post their introduction (first topic posting) with an optional welcome message by the Moderator welcoming them to their Group. 5-Adding an option button in the Moderator settings to turn off the "Voting" as how the Moderator has the option of turning off "Polls". 6-Adding an option for Moderators to being able to enable or disable the use of the Chat Room 7-Allow Moderators a way to prioritize or lock a posting on top of the board addressing their Group of an important announcement, or allow the Bold font command or Color Tags to being used again in the titles of Topic postings; I used this technique to grab my members of The Likeminded Ones attention in the past of importance to the Group and many other Moderators used it as a tool before as well. 8-Allow an option for Moderators to decide if their Group Chat Room should be listed on the Groups Home Page or Chat Home Page. Listing of active Group Chat Rooms can and are causing member conflicts in certain Groups. 9-Consider adding a way a Moderator can assign a member as a secondary Moderator to their Group. This can possibly be done if adding a feature that the primary Moderator can create a separate password different from their profile account and be given to another member; this will allow the other member they choose to access certain Moderator tools (delete and/or ban) that will allow that member they chose as secondary Moderator to use. Such as deleting a posting and banning a member if need be; in addition, I let it be where a Moderator can choose what features from the Group setting option page to be allowed being used by the secondary Moderator they chose if possible. This would also secure the Moderator account information/settings and etc… from the chosen secondary Moderator being able to access since their account password would not be the same; there are many Moderators and members that are sharing one account to moderate over large and active Groups. 10-Maybe also add a Moderator to non Group member invitation to joining their Group. This would help new and smaller Groups tremendously to becoming an active Group and cut down possibly on the "Non Active" dead Groups. 11-If a Moderator of Group decides to delete their account, the group should also be deleted that they moderated over if they did not send a Moderator Stepping Down Invitation in stead of the system choosing members from the group as a Moderator. If a member wants to Moderate a Group, they can create a Group of their own. Bugs known in the Programming of Groups in need of attention and resolving. 1-Moderators are unable to Ban a member fully from their group due to the Ban member being able to leave a group after being banned and rejoining that group. This has caused a lot of disturbances and abuse in several groups because of the inability the Moderator has to banning a member fully. I already suggested a way through a JavaScript that will disable the "Leave this Group" button upon a Moderator banning a member from their group. 2-There is a problem with Cross postings from one group going into another group. Primarily this bug has effected the "Local Groups" and not as much as the "Topical Groups". One member of Trillogy that is the Moderator of Bellingham Meet and Greet is having this problem in his group for reference and has reported it several times and has been going on for several weeks. Request Review of Group: The Request Review has become a weapon used by abusive members against several active groups in order to place a group in Denied status so the group will not be visible in the Most Active Groups Listings, Not to have topics appear in the Most Active Discussion listing to cause disturbance of members of groups, prevent some members of a group from being able to post in the group or members being able to join that group. Suggestion: Add a form for the member that Request a Group Review to give reason as to why they are requesting a review of that group for the Abuse Team to investigate before putting a group in a Denied status. If something is found that gives justifiable reason for a group to being denied, notify the Moderator of the group as to the reason so they can correct and address their group in concerns to the reason to avoid it from happening again; in addition, tag the member that requested the review for future reference, if the member reported a Group and nothing wrong was found in the group by the Abuse Team a notation should be kept for records as the reporting member could be an abuser of the Request Review button. This is a compilation of over one year of ideas, suggestions and experiences of many members of groups and Moderators of groups that have had discussions in concerns to improving on the groups not only for the benefit of only members but to be of benefit to you and your staff too.
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4/7/2006 9:33 am |
Yes, I agree with the request review button suggestion too, what good does it to hit request review on a group if no one can tell what is really wrong, and if someone is abusing that button then that would stop that from happening. I havent had any need for the 'request review' button myself, only one time and that was because I saw a group that had several posts by the moderator or a member that was asking/demanding phone numbers and addresses from female members, I hit request review and still months later nothing was done about it. It would be nice if the groups worked pretty much the same as the blogs. I think that is what alot of the suggestions here have been about....being able to do alot of things in the groups that you can already do in the blogs. I agree with dreamlover on the most active groups list being listed by 'how many discussions' there are in the group rather than total postings.
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please put the view function back the way it was before on the groups. it is kind of silly to have the View All page the same as the front page. change is bad.
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What?? ANOTHER useless argument about "spamming"? Way to go, guys: very classy. Since when do a handful of members have a right to dictate how millions of others use this site? Could you please tell me where anyone has or is "dictating" to others on the use of the site? Your use of this word of "dictate" (self defining in your wording)is saying that some or others are "issuing orders or commands" to other members. No one has done any such thing in these discussions; however and furthermore, what some have done here is ask for "fairness" in regards to the Active Group Listings or Most Active Member with photo listings and offered suggestions, ideas and opinions on having "fairness" in regards to all members and groups to being noticed. Is that so wrong to be "asking" for? Nick
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4/8/2006 2:45 pm |
What?? ANOTHER useless argument about "spamming"? Way to go, guys: very classy. Since when do a handful of members have a right to dictate how millions of others use this site?
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4/9/2006 2:12 am |
Andrew, please tell us what's up. Nothing has budged for two days. These people in my group are my Family. We need the groups up and running so that we can stay in touch. Please fix whatever is going on.
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4/10/2006 3:23 pm |
has anyone noticed that not a dayum thing is getting done ??? maybe its just me but i feel we been hoodwinked into believing these groups are getting more updates....what a load of crap we been fed !!!
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4/10/2006 7:26 pm |
well they added the associate member thingo and the polls.
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4/11/2006 7:46 am |
yeah my associate members list is like that too, or at least sometimes it is and sometimes it isnt..
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4/13/2006 2:16 pm |
i sing the ooooooo'd to myspace jammy jam so screw this site anymore !!! 4 minute page load ups and members pages mixed with whatever ass. pages is just plain cheap azz updates......Hookup.Date Naughty Affair Dating get with the damn program / programmers already !!! this has been just pittyful !!!
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4/13/2006 5:29 pm |
I noticed that they added a way for us to link to topics in the groups now. The tag for it is located at the bottom of that topics page. Thanks.
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4/14/2006 11:51 am |
I have a funny feeling he has just not checked this post....his blog intro says he doesnt check his blog everyday, but he might be busy answering in his new posts..
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4/14/2006 8:11 pm |
lol moon, thats true most of the time. I noticed now that I went to ban the people who were in my associate members list that once you ban one person from the associate members list, the list will turn into the view all members list for some reason. and also now I cant chat in my chat rooms of the groups that I am a mod of, well except for one group. I dont know..there must be something going on somewhere...sounds like someone is poking around...hopefully they will get it fixed, soon.
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4/15/2006 11:09 pm |
moon, yeah it was about 3 months. I made another profile just so i could go into my own chat room...lol. seems my problem is fixed now as far as the chat room thing. but not the associate members list yet...was going to go and ban the associate members out, but cant now cause I cant trust the associate members list....lol.
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4/18/2006 7:06 pm |
I'd be happy if the posts would just show the same damn day they were posted... Yes, I AM GETTING A BUNCH OF NEW MEMBERS JOINING AND I CANT SEE WHO THEY ARE...... If your gonna advertise my group on that group page, then at least let me see who they are... Yes its been 1 week... it cant be that hard to fix that... It used to work !!!!!!! Moon
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4/19/2006 12:33 am |
well, I would love the enhancements if they worked correctly...lol.
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4/19/2006 12:36 am |
To be honest, I'm pretty much convinced they don't really care. For several days now, none of us have been able to see more than the first page of our member lists; the associate members "enhancement" has been full of bugs; posts have been disappearing at an alarming rate...and now, I find that I cannot even edit my group settings--I get thrown to a blank page. Actually, at first it will tell me that I have missing key words; if I try to put the keywords back in, THEN it throws me to the blank page. I have emailed Hookup.Date Naughty Affair Dating several times about these issues. All I ever get is either an illiterate response from someone who is not very well versed in English, or a "thanks for your patience, our programmers are working on it" reply. WHAT PATIENCE? Am I REALLY supposed to believe they can't put things back to working the way they were before they started "improving" the groups, which has done nothing but just mess the groups up all to hell???
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4/20/2006 1:02 am |
I have a question! what is the maximum number of replies a thread can get? or is there one? I have asked this question in other groups and members have given me their statistics based on their own threads, but was wondering if there really is a maximum number?
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4/20/2006 9:59 pm |
It's my fault. Seems like every time I pull out the plastic and pay, the groups come to a screeching halt. I won't do that to all of you good people again. Now seriously...How can it be considered an improvement when the submission to appearance time for posts is between 6 and 48 hours? When about 25% of the posts never make it to the board? When customer service replies with some kind of dribble about clearing my temporary internet files and having to approve all profile changes? HUH??? How can that possibly cause posting delays? Regardless if the answers were misunderstandings or just blatant lies, they are WRONG, and that is not good for business. It's time to give up the real factors behind the problems. I think everyone knows there are problems, so stop feeding us BS through the CS department and fix it.
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4/22/2006 12:27 pm |
The site just needs to get another server or two for the groups. This shit happens every weekend, starting at about 3 in the afternoon, and it continues until some time late Monday afternoon. With the $$ that the site admits it makes, you'd think that they could invest in at least a few more servers for the Groups only. This will never go away until there is sufficient server capacity to handle the posts that are made over the weekend, when people have time to post. Oh - and I have seen many threads go to well over 40 pages without problems.
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4/23/2006 1:32 am |
Yep, not a single post since sometime on Friday afternoon. WTF is up? Why can't this site get it together? Do they not understand how important these groups are to us? These are our friends and our adopted families. GRRRRRRRRRR!
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4/23/2006 7:34 am |
Pardon me while I perform a little experiment. I am posting here in frustration of the site functionalities this weekend especially. My experiment is to test if this post appears here; because my posts, nor are anyone esle's, appearing in the groups.
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4/23/2006 7:39 am |
Well HELLS BELLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This post appeared in an instant!! As soon as I submitted and came back to the last page...........BOOM..........there it was!!!! So Mr CEO........what's up with this????? Why does it work here and not in the groups?? Perhaps I can exercise more patience and tolerance with some rational explanation?? *scratching my head* Signed: frustrated~
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4/23/2006 7:43 am |
Blow me down with a wet noodle!!! There it is again; instant posting! Perhaps we should run our discussion groups within this blog??? Would that get things fixed? Would it irritate the powers that be? Because this sites lack of functionality for the discussion groups is surely frustrating the heck out of me!
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